[ I have written a series of posts about the "pay the storm" bugaboos. I call it "The Stormpuke--Stormpay Story: Getting to the Heart of the Matter in Posts" . You can get it here. This nightmare is ongoing with no end in site. ]
I have mentioned a lot of bad things about California in my recent posts about stormpuke. It has become very clear, as plain as day, that the state of California is a state of wasteland. If you live in California and you need a lawyer, you're better off going out of state in getting one. If you can't afford the cost, then it would be best to pack your bags and let the celebrities wallow in the wasteland. One day, they will learn that it didn't pay to be greedy. One day too late. And a dollar short.
Wasn't it bad enough that Mr. Minkow, the lawyer that helped stormpuke get the court order in California just so that they don't have to pay the money they stoled back? And now there's another lawyer in the midst, giving people a hard time so that they don't stand a chance in getting their money back. You may have heard of him if you belong to any group at yahoogroups. His name is Paul Andrew Mitchell.
What started out as an innocent question turned into a nuclear spat with Mr. Mitchell. Despite the fact the spat occurred over two weeks ago, his name keeps coming up with the ponzi scheme issue. I will be talking about the ponzi scheme issue in the next post or two, as the nightmare with stormpuke keeps taking turns for the worst.
There is more to the Paul Andrew Mitchell story. Before the spat, I was doing research on the RICO ACT and his name kept coming up. Not only his name, but the names of those that he sued. He has a "colorful" and disturbing history. What I present is the following information I found and where it comes from, should Mr. Mitchell end up getting his way, and have the sites either censored or taken down. I will talk about the nuclear spat after I present some sites.
According to Wikipedia, Paul Andrew Mitchell is not his real name. It's a pseudonym for Mitch Modeleski. On the page that wikipedia created on him, it says that he's sued universities for stealing and selling copies of his book. The book that he even had available at his own site [ http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/ sorry no spider traffic for LIARS] the the whole time. Now why is he continuing to sue people when he has the book available at his site? Does that make sense to you?
Its the same question that the famguardian.org site asked. As a matter of fact, they have NOTHING nice to say about Mr. Mitchell. Their story is below:
source: famguardian.org
Modeleski, Mitch (a.k.a. Paul Andrew Mitchell)
* Website: http://www.supremelaw.org
* Date range: 1990-Present
* Picture [ http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/CaseStudies/WhosWho/ModeleskyMitch.jpg ]
* Biography: A former systems analyst contractor for the government. Lived in the San Francisco Bay Area and later moved down to San Diego. Main claim to fame is his free book entitled The Federal Zone, featured for free downloading on his website. The main focus of the book is the Nonresident Alien Position, which we also advocate and explain in our Great IRS Hoax book, section 5.6.12. His The Federal Zone book is lucid and organized. By email and personally, he can be very accusatory and irrational. According to people whose house he stayed at and who provided his picture, he suffers from mental illness and possibly paranoia. They agreed that the assessment of him here was "very accurate". He seldom gives out his phone number or contact information, even to his closest friends, and is difficult to locate. He uses PO boxes and forwarding agents instead of providing his real physical address, which is consistent with someone who is paranoid. He also appears to have "ownership myopia" and is very possessive of his research and his book. He has litigated against over 200 people who made his Federal Zone book available on the internet, even though ironically he makes it available for free on the Internet on his website and the people who he litigated against were doing exactly the same thing. The first lawsuit he filed in northern California U.S. District Court against those who he accused of copyright infringement was dismissed with prejudice. We have asked him about this crazy contradiction, and he has nothing to say in his defense, so we have to conclude the only rational motivation can be either craving for public attention (arrogance) or mental illness. He has vindictively tried to litigate against us but never successfully or properly served us, and yet continues to send us threatening emails, probably because he views us as a competitor. This kind of conflict only hurts the tax honesty movement because it diverts attention from solutions and onto conflict that dissipates needless energy on pointless pursuits. When we pointed this out to him, he had nothing to say in his defense. Supportive of Lynn Meredith's work, who learned much of what she knows from Mitch in regards to the Nonresident Alien Position. Meredith's books, as a matter of fact, use a lot of the materials from Mitch's website. However, when Meredith began to commercialize his work, this alienated him from her. Below are some words describing him from a person who claims to have helped him and knew him well:
Like everyone who has ever met this guy, I have nothing good to say about him. Well ok, one thing...when he is in his manic state he's a hard worker. He is all the experience I ever want with manic depressive folks.
Paul loves intrigue, and has fantasies of the FBI hunting him down. He fled Tucson with the help of a friend (in Dec 97), and using his hat for ID and some code words, I picked him up in El Paso. According to him the FBI wants to incarcerate him and inject him with the AIDs virus to shut him up. The story keys in nicely with his ravings about "them" kidnapping children and flying plane loads of them to unknown locations to harvest their organs.
At first he thanked me profusely for "saving my life". In the end I dumped him out in town with his few things, and some money he claimed I owed for all his work. On his way out of town he filed a mechanic's lien on my place. The lien has since expired. By his own admissions he has treated others the same way. I was just too stupid at the time to listen to his stories and know that I'd soon be treated the same. He complained endlessly about the deplorable conditions the Montana Freemen 'forced' him to endure and how they cheated him out of money for his work etc etc.
When he was considering filing suit against AOL, the University of So. Cal., and a dozen others for copyright violations re "The Federal Zone", he wanted his hero lawyer (can't remember who that was) to take the case on a contingency basis. He stewed about it for 2 weeks but never picked up the phone to call the guy, thinking he would be rejected. One morning we headed to town to get some things at the lumber yard, and he was moaning over this lawyer and his fear of calling. I said "So the great Paul Mitchell is a fucking wuss?". He just looked at me and didn't speak the rest of the day. I didn't see him for 2 days until I got to wondering where he could be. I checked his quarters and found him in bed. From the looks of him at first I thought he was dead. Finally I was able to rouse him enough to at least know he was alive. He remained like that for 3 more days. When he finally got up he raged about the children's organ thefts, the injustice of it all, etc. It was frightening for me.
Paul files suits and liens, to get even with those who have wronged him. He's a spiteful person. . . . He lives in poverty and depends on the good will of a long string of people that he can convince to feel sorry for him.
I have had no contact with him since Feb 98, and I hope that is the last of that. His lawsuit against you will wither on the vine. His lifestyle forces him to move frequently, which makes it hard for him to get anything done.
Thanks so much for all your work. The [Great IRS] Hoax book is wonderful.
End of source: famguardian.org
If that wasn't scary enough, here are just a few people that were sued by him and "their" story:
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/000034.html
[which is linked to the site above] http://www.paulandrewmitchell.com/
http://www.hackcanada.com/blackcrawl/fed_zone_incident.txt
http://chronicle.com/free/2002/03/2002030701t.htm
And now you can add my story to the list, as what was supposed to be an innocent question turned out into a nuclear war. I was warned by the lord himself as to what would transpire. I think it was HIS way of saying that he's sick and tired of seeing Mr. Mitchell take advantage of people. There are those who go around on yahoogroups, soliciting their business in a sneaky way, so that people don't catch on to the "spam" tactic for awhile. My story can be easily verified through http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TruthAGAINSTtradition/
Notebox added 3/4/2009
Formerly the group was called TruthAGAINSTtradition. It's now called
TruthABOVEtraditon
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TruthABOVEtraditon/
I have included the message numbers here for convenience. The paragraphs that are **** are my comments, as I feel that some things needed to be explained for an easier understanding of the situation. I don't expect you to read it all. If you want, you can scroll all the way at the end to read the last couple of paragraphs, as there are lessons to be learned from all of this:
Starting with Message 21687
Message 21687
From: "xenacarpenter"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 12:19 am
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I found this amusing site by accident.
http://www.paulandrewmitchell.com/index2.html
documents: http://www.paulandrewmitchell.com/LETTERS/
**** Not long after I had sent that to the group, Mr. Mitchell sent me the following private email.
Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:00:27 -0000
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
To: "xenacarpenter"
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
If you want to have a fight,
I'll give you my address,
and a date and time where
we can meet and look each
other in the eye.
YOU GAME?
YOUR MOVE.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** I was not looking for a fight. I simply wanted to know what his side of the story is.
Message 21701
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 5:58 am
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
http://www.supremelaw.org/copyrite/uoregon.edu/memo.ag01.htm
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol/
http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/commissions/
See replies from DOJ to our standard FOIA requests.
Shubb, Drozd, Trott, Ginsburg, Thomas and Breyer
all turned up without credentials.
I was never ever allowed to get even close to a jury.
YOU FIND THIS AMUSING?
I did NOT create the website to which you refer,
and they do not have my permission to use my name
in that fashion.
The Supreme Law Library is our website:
http://www.supremelaw.org/
Perhaps you are just ignorant of the facts.
Or, maybe you are the kind of person who likes
to poke sticks into someone's eye?
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** Actually anyone can use your name for a domain name. The only way to prevent it, is if you're a celebrity like Paris Hilton or Eminem. Sad but true.
Message 21702
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 6:13 am
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
This is all PHONY INFORMATION:
Registrant:
Paul Andrew Mitchell Truth Committee
Kirkbride Building, Belmont Street
Worcester, MA 01605
US
There is no such "Committee".
Worcester is the town where I was born.
The "Building" in question is a mental hospital.
WHOIS database record for that website follows:
whois record for: paulandrewmitchell.com
Current Registrar: EASYDNS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
registrar: EASYDNS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
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Nameservers:
NS1.EASYDNS.COM
NS2.EASYDNS.COM
REMOTE1.EASYDNS.COM
REMOTE2.EASYDNS.COM
status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
expires: 24-jan-2006
Registrar Data:
Registrant:
Paul Andrew Mitchell Truth Committee
Kirkbride Building, Belmont Street
Worcester, MA 01605
US
Domain name: PAULANDREWMITCHELL.COM
Administrative Contact:
Mitchell, Paul pam@...
Kirkbride Building, Belmont Street
Worcester, MA 01605
US
508 226-3335 Fax: NA
Technical Contact:
Mitchell, Paul pam@...
Kirkbride Building, Belmont Street
Worcester, MA 01605
US
508 226-3335 Fax: NA
Registrar of Record: easyDNS Technologies, Inc.
Record last updated on 08-Dec-2004.
Record expires on 24-Jan-2006.
Record created on 24-Jan-2003.
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Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Data in the easyDNS Registrar WHOIS database is provided for
informational
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commercial
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easyDNS reserves the right to restrict or block access to this
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Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** You do remember what the famguardian.org site said about him being mentally disturbed. That Kirkbride Building is probably the name of the mental institution that he must have been living at for a time period or something.
Message 21704
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 6:30 am
Subject: HEY, XENA, PLEASE DIAL 508 226-3335
GO CHASE YOUR OWN WILD GEESE
I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS JUNK.
GOODBYE.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** He didn't have time? Apparently he did for him to be soliciting his business at other yahoogroups. The next few messages are not only violent, but disturbing.
Message 21706
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 6:48 am
Subject: http://www.xenasvacuumheads.com
Message 21711
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 7:17 am
Subject: definition of "VACUUM HEAD" (TAKE AND TAKE)
Vacuum Head n.
an empty cranium
mounted on a vacuum cleaner
sucking its way thru life
like ravenous vampires
who just can't get enough
free pixels on their monitors
PIXELS PIXELS ... GIMME MORE PIXELS!!!!
GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!
AMERICA, YOU WERE WARNED,
NUMEROUS TIMES. NOW,
PREPARE FOR YOUR JUDGMENT.
YOU HAD NO RIGHT
TO CHANGE
GIVE AND TAKE
TO
TAKE AND TAKE.
"Judgment is mine, sayeth the Lord."
Message 21713
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 7:22 am
Subject: EXTENSIVE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WRITINGS BY XENO THE FLYING JACKASS
Message 21721
From: Supreme Law Firm
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 12:03 pm
Subject: FORMAL COMPLAINT OF FALSE AND DEFAMATORY MATERIAL BY REGISTERED WEBSITE
Greetings EASYDNS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.:
The following website contains false, fraudulent and defamatory material:
Domain name: PAULANDREWMITCHELL.COM
Registrant:
Paul Andrew Mitchell Truth Committee
Kirkbride Building, Belmont Street
Worcester, MA 01605
US
Administrative Contact:
Mitchell, Paul pam@paulandrewmitchell.com
Kirkbride Building, Belmont Street
Worcester, MA 01605
US
508 226-3335 Fax: NA
There is no such "Committee";
I am not the Administrative Contact for "it";
the building is a mental hospital;
Worcester is the town where I was born;
the telephone listed is not in service (I called it).
The responsible party(s) have no permission
to use and abuse my good name and reputation
in that fashion.
Please provide me with documentation describing
your policies and procedures for initiating a formal
complaint against the guilty party(s), and for initiating
appropriate disciplinary and other appropriate legal action.
I am also requesting that you disclose the name,
company, mailing address, fax and telephone
numbers for the principal responsible for the
web server computers where this defamatory
material is currently being hosted on the Internet.
Thank you very much for your immediate cooperation.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
Message 21722
From: "xenacarpenter"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I see you wasted no time with your private verbal threats and
uncalled for accusations in my box. All just because I found a
website that had your name on it to be coincidental, not to mention
just asking a simple question.
For one who is supposed to be a professional, you act immature.
I am banning my own butt from this forum to save cliffy and lindy the
trouble of busting their own knuckles. Effective Immediately
**** From that point, I had subscribed to the list with my other yahoo id and watched how things would transpire. Mr. Mitchell sent me another private email saying the following:
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:23:41 -0000
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoogroups.com. Learn more
To: "xenacarpenter"
Subject: take some advice (NOT a "threat")
STOP BEING STUPID
**** Stupid? Being stupid about what. He's the one that is being the stupid one with his verbal abuse. All just because I posted link to a site that had documents about him suing people. As you will see, his verbal abuse grew worse at tenfold.
Message 21725
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I think the below information is excellent, and does go to show that what Xena found was/is bogus.. however, in all honesty, I think you were a tad hard on her in later comments.. First of all, we aren't all of the same knowledge base.. but even so, I don't see that she was accusing.. yes, the laughter part could surely be annoying, but maybe the laughter was at the very thing she sent..?.. In any case, I am of the mind-set that *asking questions is a GOOD thing*.. better to ask and be wrong, than to assume and be wrong.. which is what the parrot masses do.. .. just my thoughts
Oddball out,
Cliff
Message 21730
From: "linda robb"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] http://www.xenasvacuumheads.com
This is all very unfortunate and I do believe that whereas you do have a good complaint Paul...time to put it to rest I think and please let us move on. I appreciate her asking questions...albeit maybe the wrong way. But, all that being said...time to put it to bed and get over it. Thanks, Linda
P.S. Besides, on occasion I hear this big sucking sound coming from my head. None of us are immune. :>)
**** Get over it? No he wasn't going to get over anything, much less stop with his verbal abuse.
Message 21737
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
No, you have it all wrong:
The website in question is actively and deliberately
defaming me: THAT'S A CRIME, AND IGNORANCE OF THAT
CRIMINAL LAW IS NO EXCUSE.
You showed poor judgment by sharing and disseminating
that information widely, PRIOR TO asking me privately if
I had any connection with it, or if I had ever authorized
it to continue in its present form, E.G. using my full
name without my permission.
I provided you with a clear and concise reply.
I never threatened you in any manner whatsoever.
I have now had to chase down the WHOIS registration entry
for that false and defamatory website.
GUESS WHAT? The registration entry is FALSE AND DEFAMATORY TOO!!!
I have now had to lodge several COMPLAINTs with the registrar
for that false and defamatory website, and for their own
false and defamatory WHOIS database entry.
I now have to follow through by contacting the Toronto
Police Department, because the registrar evidently
does not want to confirm exactly how and why their
own published Terms and Conditions are being violated
by that false and defamatory website.
YOU HAVE THE GALL TO INSULT ME FURTHER!!!
LADY/SIR, I THINK YOUR HEAD IS SCREWED ON BACKWARDS NOW.
So, who is going to pay for all the time I had to spend
this morning, trying to chase someone who has obviously
published false and deliberately misleading contact
information (read "lies")?
Am I now supposed to provide you with free training
to teach you what it takes to chase down one of these
defamatory criminals?
TILT!!
IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO SHOW A SMALL MODICUM OF RESPECT,
YOU WOULD AND SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED ME PRIVATELY,
TO INFORM ME OF THIS WEBSITE AND TO ASK A RESPECTFUL
QUESTION CONCERNING THE PARTY(S) RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT
FALSE AND DEFAMATORY WEBSITE.
BUT ... NO NO NO ... NOW YOU HAVE TO LAUNCH INTO THIS
RICIDULOUS AND IDIOTIC AD HOMINEM DIATRIBE.
GOOD RIDDANCE. "BAN YOUR OWN BUTT" to use your own words.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** The website was public knowledge. Anyone could find it just by typing his name in any search engine. The group found out later that he lied about his "chasing the criminals down" all morning. The famguardian.org is right in what they said about him and all of these messages from the group list back up their claim. So far I should say, as there's a lot more as you will see now.
Message 21739
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I CONCLUDE THAT YOU AND I INTERPRET THE FOLLOWING
QUESTION VERY VERY DIFFERENTLY:
"What do you have to say for yourself?"
> better to ask and be wrong, than to assume and be wrong
WHAT ARE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE WITH THAT QUESTION?
(1) that I was responsible in any way for that website?
Answer: NO!
(2) that I authorized my name to be used in that manner?
Answer: NO!
(3) that I bear any responsibility for answering that
question?
Answer: NO!
(4) that I am somehow responsible for teaching others
how to investigate the WHOIS entries for these false
and defamatory websites, AND REPORT BACK HERE ON MY OWN
TIME AND AT MY OWN EXPENSE, SO THAT KEYBOARD COMMANDOS
LIKE XENA CAN SIT BACK AND BENEFIT FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S
EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ONE THIN
DIME FOR THAT EXPERTISE?
ANSWER: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
STOP WASTING MY TIME WITH YOUR PRESUMPTIOUS NONSENSE.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
Message 21740
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: http://www.xenasvacuumheads.com
I'VE BEEN DAMAGED SIGNIFICANTLY,
AND THIS LIST HAS BEEN USED AS
A VEHICLE FOR DISSEMINATING
AND PROPAGATING THAT DAMAGE.
STOP TRYING TO SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG.
NO SKIN OFF YOUR BACK, EH??
THE DAMAGES WERE NOT "UNFORTUNATE", THEY WERE INTENTIONAL!!!!!
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** That is the same claim that he was posting on other lists. The group was in no way propagating damage. It's clear that he was suffering hallucinations of some kind or bipolar disorder. At this point, you will see how the group responds to this "nut".
Message 21741
From: Randy
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: http://www.xenasvacuumheads.com
Get off your high horse
Message 21742
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: http://www.xenasvacuumheads.com
EASY FOR YOU TO SAY, RANDY!!
NO SKIN OFF YOUR BACK EITHER, EH???
YOU'RE NOT THE ONE BEING DAMAGED.
THIS TIME, I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF SUCH
RUTHLESS LACK OF CONSIDERATION.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
Message 21743
From: Supreme Law Firm
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:57 pm
Subject: [easyDNS-377201] FORMAL COMPLAINT OF FRAUD AND DEFAMATION
To: easyDNS Support
CC: darren.mcconnell@torontopolice.on.ca, markjr@easydns.com, abuse@easydns.com, webmaster@easydns.com, billing@easydns.com
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell
Subject: [SLL] [easyDNS-377201]
FORMAL COMPLAINT OF FRAUD AND DEFAMATION BY YOUR REGISTRA
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:19:40 -0800
Greetings Sandy,
I DO NOT THINK YOU APPRECIATE HOW SERIOUS THIS MATTER IS:
REPEATING BLATANT VIOLATIONS OF YOUR
OWN PUBLISHED TERMS AND CONDITIONS:
8. The Applicant warrants to easyDNS that the details submitted by the Applicant to easyDNS are true and correct , and that future modifications or additions to those details will be true and correct.
Applicant's WHOIS data is false, fraudulent, defamatory and misleading THEREFORE NOT TRUE AND CORRECT!
FOR EXAMPLE, JUST CALL THE TELEPHONE NUMBER LISTED!!!
SEND POSTAL MAIL TO THE PHONY ADDRESS LISTED!!!
CONTACT THE EMAIL ADDRESS AND REQUEST THE SUSPECT'S PHONE NUMBER!!
ALL OF HIS CONTACT INFORMATION IS FALSE, SO
I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT HIM/HER, AND
NEITHER DO THE TORONTO POLICE!!!!
14. The Applicant agrees not to use the services provided by easyDNS to conduct any business or activity or solicit the performance of any activity that is prohibited by law.
Fraud, defamation and witness retaliation are crimes
prohibited by the United States criminal Code, and
by the Penal Code of the State of California.
If you need citations to U.S. federal criminal laws
that are being violated, start here:
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol/index.htm
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol2/index.htm
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
Message 21744
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
No... my point was that she'd simply made a mistake.. granted, the question was worded improperly (at least that's what I believe).. .. while everything you say has plenty of merit, essentially what I see here is a case of throwing the baby out with the bath-water.. Clearly, it would have been far better for her to have addressed you privately and out of a curious manner.. I'm sure you would have explained to her exactly as you have, minus the rant.. and as far as your time, etc., wouldn't you still have had to do as you've done? What has been different, except in the manner of your delivery? While I don't know for a fact, Xena seems quite young, or at least, young in the faith.. so I see no benefit of driving her away, which has been the result of your shaming her for an error, as opposed to having willfully committed an evil action against you.. Whether of law or conscience, I'm sure you can understand that.. afterall, it was not 'her' site.. apparently you did not even know of it's existance.. so if that be the case, then oddly enough, she has inadvertantly done you a favor.. seems to me.. .. and as far as me 'wasting your time', the simple cure for that is: Ignore me if you must.. I've not asked for your 'legal' advice.. your propensity to value your time so highly over that of others, not to mention having to place a $ value to it, seems to stem from care for the *other* kingdom more than HIS..
Oddball out,
Cliff
Message 21746
From: Deborah Fielder
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I agree, who is without sin cast the first stone? Everyone makes mistakes and this forum is for discussion not verbal assasination.
Message 21748
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
YOUR COMMENT SHOWS AN UTTER LACK OF CONCERN
OR RESPECT FOR THE LAW OF DEFAMATION IN AMERICA;
THERE IS ALSO THE MATTER OF NEGLIGENCE.
EVEN AFTER I ANSWERED HER QUESTION POLITELY,
XENACARPENTER [sic] THEN TRIED TO BLAME THE VICTIM
WITH AD HOMINEM NONSENSE. AND NOW XENACARPENTER
IS GOING TO FLEE THIS LIST?
WHAT DOES THAT SAY?
SO, NOW THAT I AM TRYING TO ENFORCE MY RIGHTS --
WHICH HAVE BEEN VIOLATED BY USING THIS LIST
AS A VEHICLE FOR BROADCASTING DEFAMATION --
NOW I AM GETTING BLAMED.
YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS, FLAT-ASSED BACKWARDS.
SHOUTING HERE?? YOU BET!!!!
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** HE was the one that had it FLAT-ASSED BACKWARDS, as he did NOT question me politely like he CLAIMED to. Go back all the way to the top to the first couple of messages.
Message 21749
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:14 pm
Subject: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
Message 21751
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
> your propensity to value your time so highly over that of others,
not to mention having to place a $ value to it, seems to stem from
care for the *other* kingdom more than HIS..
This is more nonsense.
I have charged the same hourly rate for FIVE FULL YEARS NOW.
I am working PRO BONO for the U.S. Coast Guard.
NO CHARGE. GET IT??? NO MONEY CHANGING HANDS,
WHATSOEVER.
SO, YOU'RE COMPLETELY OUT OF ORDER.
"The laborer is worthy of his hire." The Holy Bible
See also the Thirteenth Amendment,
which is the Supreme Law of the Land THROUGHOUT the USA!!!!
CHEEEEESH!!!!!!!! ARE COMMUNISTS HIDING ON THIS LIST TOO???
SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE SICKOS!!!
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
**** That message seriously took the cake for the group, as I heard that people emailed him privately, chewing him out for blaspheming the lord and his kingdom.
Message 21752
From: "linda robb"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
O.k. this subject is done on this list. Paul, pursue this in whatever manner you choose but do not include this list in any more tirades. This discussion is closed. Period. Linda
Message 21753
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
SO, ADD INSULT TO INJURY AND THROW ME OFF YOUR
STUPID LIST: IT'S FULL OF HYPOCRITES AND
IDIOTS, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
YOU DON'T CARE ONE THIN DIME FOR THE DAMAGED PARTY
IN THIS MATTER.
SHAME ON YOU -- SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!
YOU WILL NOT INFRINGE MY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO
FREEDOM OF SPEECH, WHICH I CAN EXERCISE
REGARDLESS OF FRONTIERS:
http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/treaty/index.htm
I NOW REGARD YOU AS A COWARD, LINDA ROBB.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
Message 21757
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: NOW, WHEN HEAT COMES DOWN, THIS LIST VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT?
Message 21758
From: "Paul Andrew Mitchell"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:28 pm
Subject: TruthAGAINSTTradition ???? IS THAT ANOTHER DELIBERATE LIE???
Message 21759
From: Supreme Law Firm
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
You've convinced me now that you are hypocrite, Linda Robb.
I have no better things to do than to defend the fundamental
Rights of all Americans, and I have been an American since
by birth in Worcester, Massachusetts.
Please STOP the double standards. They reflect very badly
on you and your precious little gathering of idiots.
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS THROWN IN JAIL TWICE?
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS TAKEN TO A HOSPITAL ER,
BLEEDING FROM MY LEFT EYE SOCKET?
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS RISKING MY LIFE TO FIND
MISSING CHILDREN IN TUCSON?
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I HAD TO DEFEND MYSELF
AGAINST THE IRS -- NUMEROUS TIMES?
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MY MOTHER WAS KILLED?
ANSWER: YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR ME THEN,
AND YOU'RE NOT THERE FOR ME NOW.
HUH??
SPEAK UP!!!!!
I'M ALL EARS HERE.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
Message 21760
From: Randy
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
Freedom to speak and not to speak. Just because I have the freedom to speak, doesn't mean I always need to use it. I was also being respectful to Linda who asked this particular subject to be done with. It is of no benefit to continue arguing about this subject. You called us a bunch of idiots and hypocrites, you should look in the mirror first. I think that's what Jesus meant when He said 'judge not, lest ye be judged...' meaning, make sure you're not an idiot (or hypocrite) first, before judging someone else as an idiot (or hypocrite).
If you're all ears, I think I see your problem:
1Cor 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Cor 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Cor 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Cor 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
Message 21762
From: "linda robb"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
This is most unfortunate. I would ask how you perceive me as a hypocrite but I no longer have time for this nonsense. I work hard all day and love this group and garbage such as this is not tolerated or needed. We have work to do here and none of us have the time or inclinations for such ramblings. Good bye Paul. Linda
Message 21763
From: Randy
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
You have no better thing to do than to defend Americans rights?
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof
Message 21764
From: Kitty Phone
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] TruthAGAINSTTradition ???? IS THAT ANOTHER DELIBERATE LIE???
Oh grow up. People just want you to act like an adult human being instead of a 2 year old.
Truthfully? You have confirmed every nasty feeling I have with lawyers.
This "idiot" will continue to use her delete button.
Debbie
Message 21765
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
My comment was in response to the following:
(4) that I am somehow responsible for teaching others
> how to investigate the WHOIS entries for these false
> and defamatory websites, AND REPORT BACK HERE ON MY OWN
> TIME AND AT MY OWN EXPENSE, SO THAT KEYBOARD COMMANDOS
> LIKE XENA CAN SIT BACK AND BENEFIT FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S
> EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ONE THIN
> DIME FOR THAT EXPERTISE?
***** It is 'you' that expressed concern over 'time and money'.. supposedly because of having to rectify a mistake made by Xena.. But it was the site and whomever put it up that was in error and cost you those things..
And to me, it is those who think that 'legal mumble jumble', can and does make any 'positive' difference.. Jesus was not speaking to just the lawyers in front of Him when he defamed them.. because lawyers take and twist one's language to a perverted version.. it is to them that the word SICKOS ought be applied.. thank you very much..
Oddball out,
Cliff
Message 21766
From: Randy
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
besides... a whois lookup takes less than a minute!
Message 21770
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
Well Paul, Linda does certainly have short-comings.. but I can tell you for a fact, she is no hypocrite.. at least, never intentionally.. regardless, I've seen nothing in anything that she's said to you as being hypocritical.. it would appear that you're having a horribly bad hair day.. And as far as all those trials and tribulations you've been through, I seriously doubt we knew of any of them.. and yes, it's very likely we may not have known or been able to help had we.. cannot say for sure not knowing the details.. even so, what has any of that to do with the error made earlier..resulting in all these rants ..?.. .. nothing you've said since Xena made her mistake has been anything remotely close to being helpful, of a Christian nature, nor even related towards the end here..
Oddball out,
Cliff
**** In the next message, the droid Hil steps in to cause trouble like she does at every list that she's been at. Especially on Sherry Shriner's list and at the bible codes yahoo groups. There are no truth seekers left at the bible codes groups because of the droid. Instead, the groups are now run by pagans.
Message 21772
From: "S.B."
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Regardless if the WHOIS takes less then a minute or so, the point of the matter is that Mr. Mitchell was falsely accused.
From my perspective, it would be in the best interest of all involved that Xena apologised to him, or for both to utilise their private emails.
It's understandable that you, Cliff, are trying to be a mediator amongst both, but many times things do not work like that. It's best to allow them both space to work out their differences.
I do not know Xena nor Mitchell, not anyone else herein for that matter. What I do know is that Xena was out of line and that does not constitute someone else speaking on her behalf.
Granted we all make mistakes, but a mistake of this magnitude (defaming someone) is not to be taken lightly.
Hil
**** I did not create that website as she has been insinuating, causing trouble once again. And yes she does know me. She's at the same groups I'm at. Her name should have been TROUBLE instead, as that's what she is.
Message 21774
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Really? Well, for a lawyer that's more than some make an hour.. .. so how does on do a 'whois', or is that an expensive question?
Message 21776
From: "linda robb"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:33 pm
Subject: Fw: THANK YOU FOR REMOVING ME FROM YOUR LIST OF HYPOCRITICAL SUBSCRIBERS
To the group: I received this from our former member. Please be advised that I did indeed infringe upon his right of free speech and ejected him from our group. Obviously he did not take it well and if anyone does not think this was the right choice please feel free to tell me so. At no time do I want to stop people from saying what they think and what they want to say but I also can not justify sitting by and having myself and this group be subjected to slurs and name calling. I feel badly that this group may get a bad reputation from this whole mess but I also believe I did what I had to do. You have my sincere apologies for this whole exchange. I will not be posting anything more this evening (which may make some people happy :>). I feel very badly about this and the cruelness of people never ever stops amazing me.
I am not one of those lovey dovey types who will go on about praying for him etc...how he is with the Lord is his business. I do however pray that he find peace because there obviously are some issues there and I pray we have no bad thoughts about him.
Thank you all. Linda
Message 21777
From: Kitty Phone
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
Cliff, you keep saying that Xena made a mistake. I think I have to disagree with this one. I would have done the same thing she did. I don't know Paul, have never wanted to know Paul and would have felt very uncomfortable contacting him privately. Paul is (or was) supposed to be a big boy that could handle the world, at least that is what I gathered by the subject lines of the things he has posted. (Sorry, but I have never been lead to read his stuff.)
The way he has handled himself has only confirmed why I wouldn't have done what you have suggested. If he is acting this way with witnesses where he really should be controlling himself, then what could he have come up with if this was done privately. I know I would not have wanted to find out.
Debbie
**** Well she wasn't the only one that wasn't led to read Mr. Mitchell's law crap. I wasn't either and neither was half of the group as I found out later after the whole tirade was over.
Message 21778
From: Randy
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Whether Xena was out of line or not, it does not deserve the verbal abuse that Paul handed out. Anyone who can do a search on the web could have found that website. I do know that a few days or so ago, Paul posted a reply to an email he received (from elsewhere) where someone was speaking badly of him (Paul). Now, reading that, I wondered what the real story behind Paul was, but I did not pursue it. Honestly, I didn't worry enough about it to look into it.
If one worries about their reputation that much, and puts price tags on their time like that, then they have much learning to do from Jesus. While I personally am not in the public eye so to speak (I don't know if Paul is either), if I were, I would have to let my own work speak for my reputation. Similar to the 'Christian walk', actions speak louder than words. If someone like, say, Texe Marr worried about his reputation, he probably wouldn't last long in his ministry.
Whether Xena did wrong or not (it IS a public website) doesn't excuse the other posts made by Paul re: this newsgroup. He speaks of 'freedom of speech', but I suppose that didn't matter in regards to Xena's post. He called anyone on this newgroup an idiot and hypocrite and specifically Linda a hypocrite. While I don't take offense to any of it, it was still uncalled for. Should I go to his newsgroup (which is a paid membership only) and start spouting out the obvious? I mean, we all can be idiots and hypocrites at times, but I'm sure most of us on this newsgroup don't aim to live that life.
Message 21781
From: Brenda Joyce
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: IF YOU PEOPLE CANNOT HELP, THEN DO SHUT UP, PLEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
Oh I don't know when he said idots here...well some have a bit of knowledge and some have a lot, but every body is not only on this site to learn but in this world to learn....seems to me somebody has a tantrum....oh well.....live and learn I suppose...brenda
Message 21783
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Hi Hil,
Yah, it would have been better had the entire incident gone differently, but it didn't... however, it seems that you have made the exact same error as Mr. Mitchell, i.e., any false accusations of Mr. Mitchell were made by whomever made the site.. Xena merely came upon it and then brought it forward and asked about it.. while it's true she worded the question badly, that in itself should never have led to this emotional unheaval.. In essence, since Mr. Mitchell was not previously aware of those web pages, she inadvertantly did him a favor, albeit not intended.. but neither did she intend to defame or falsely accuse him.. He is suppose to be a lawyer, yet it was he making all the false allegations.. .. it seems to me, his only true purpose for being in the many groups he's in, is not for Christian (or otherwise) brotherhood, but to solicit business by giving enough away as bait.. (that's my personal opinion, which I've actually held for quite some time).. in any case, if you still contend that Xena, or anyone in this group for that matter, falsely accused Mr. Mitchell of anything, please bring forth the evidence (in context) .. thanks
Oddball out,
Cliff
**** Soliciting business through yahoo is called SPAM.
Message 21787
From: "linda robb"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I did that. Best I can do I guess. I already am getting mail from his pals, not nice mail either. But, it is what it is. Thank you guys for all your support and all you tried to do. It is always sad when something ends like this. Linda
-------Original Message-------
From: TruthAGAINSTtradition@yahoogroups.com
Date: 03/08/06 17:26:21
To: TruthAGAINSTtradition@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Well, you could always offer people to join here and take a look see themselves at his behavior.
Debbie
**** A lot of yahoogroups were invited to read the posts for themselves. Some people came to copy them and pass them around. I don't know how many groups kicked Mr. Mitchell out after the tirade took place. But I do know that a handful did, as they were disgusted to learn what kind of person he really is.
Message 21789
From: Kitty Phone
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
I know all this happened for a reason. Those who want the truth will come.
Now I just wish Xena were here. I'd love to be digging up a smiley for her.
Debbie
**** They did not know that I had planned on coming back after the verbal assaults died down. At that time, I already had my box filled from members to come back to the list.
Message 21797
From: "xenacarpenter"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Better watch what you wish for.
I should not have worded the question as I did, and for that I am sorry.
However, that is no excuse for Mr. Mitchell in any way, shape or form, to start a total tirade
against this group, much less continuing to send me abusive letters.
Now whether if it was a good thing the tirade happened or not, I can't say. But
what I can say is that it appears Mr. Mitchell has a history of threatening anti-IRS
advocates, internet service providers, and universities with multi-billion dollar lawsuits. Or so it
says on the wikipedia site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Andrew_Mitchell
It doesn't take long to type in words in any search engine to find other stuff
if you want the truth. Frankly, Mr. Mitchell reminds me of that John "sue the bastards"
Banzhaf lawyer.
Message 21798
From: "Jesus is THE Truth"
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Well, I'm not sure what my wish was... *g*.. but welcome back anyways.. .. and I agree completely with your post.. however, may I suggest, from now on, right or wrong, don't head for the hills.. whether individually, or more so as a group, we will get things resolved..
Cliff
Message 21802
From: Kitty Phone
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: [TruthAGAINSTtradition] Re: 240 U.S. Patent numbers for vaporizing gasoline (a Ship of State powered by
Now on to Paul. How come what you have come up with does not surprise me??
Debbie
**** And the next message [below] took my cake big time. Accusing me for acts of defamation. What just because I pointed out a website, that's acting as a criminal? And what about Mr. Mitchell's claim of how I telephoned everyone at the truth against tradition group? I don't have anyone's phone number. And then he ADMITS that he spent time, months ago, going after the person that made that website about him. That is NOT what he said before he got booted from truth against tradition group. He said that he spent ALL MORNING, chasing down the person that made the website. It's quite clear that he's a habitual liar that can't remember what he says to one person to the next.
**** And what about that droid Hil? Once again, purposely causing trouble at other groups with her accusations of how my behavior is childish and immature? What just because I send some toons and graphics that I make to some of the yahoogroups that I'm at? That's being immature? It's called SHARING. Hil said before in her previous message that she doesn't know me and yet she passes judgment on me. I'm not the one lacking of common sense. At least I have common sense and decency. I can't say the same for Hil unfortunately. And neither can the truthseekers who were driven away from the bible codes groups.
BEGIN Message 21832
From: Mofmars3@...
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2006 12:44 am
Subject: Re:***Group Alert***WITCHCRAFT ON THE INTERNET/TruthAGAINSTtradition
This is ridiculous...I know this list, "Truth Against Tradition" and every detail of what transpired, too...
The girl, Xena made an error and Linda was too quick to label you a nut case, Paul
We are going to hell in a hand basket and what are you doing spreading this all over in the forums as if it's a threat to national security?
Join TruthAGAINSTtradition-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and see what happened for yourselves...They're really nice people
It's unfortunate that someone set you up with that website, Paul...But this was a mole hill compared to the mountain you've made
Geeeez...I'd hate to see you if one did something really bad to you and intentionally, too
Witch Craft, my foot...You are out of here if you show this side of yourself again, lawyer or not and we have never banned anyone that I can remember
You are on your honor here, Paul...If you are able and big enough to retrieve it in letting bygones be bygones
You had that girl, Xena, scared to death and she was invited back by good hearts worried about her
You would be wise to retract this evil attack everywhere you put it or you may be hearing from a lawyer yourself...It is you who is wrong at this point due to your actions...Or reaction, I should say
I'm going to ask my lawyer friend if he knows you, Paul
Sorry to be so blunt...I was going to watch this play out but when you pulled the witchcraft craft crap I got angry because I happen to know these people were already worried about what all this negativity might do to their awesome group
They want to keep it that way and you "do" know who's on their side...Right?
"God" Bless you and Yours,
Marsha...PS...And what was said about Linda saying she would not pray for you was certainly taken out of context, too
"S.B."
From: "S.B."
Subject: Re: Hello and G-d bless you
To: Supreme Law Firm
Agree. I'm going to pray about that Group, being that the perpetrator "xena" was allowed back in. Amazing, I cannot believe this crap!
Supreme Law Firm
"S.B."
Ms. Robb did write an email to all the Group members stating that she was not going to pray for you, etc. Be that as it may, she will answer to G-d accordingly.
Peace in Him,
Hil
P.S. I'm very glad that you were prepared in advance for the situation. :-)
Ironically, xena reminds me so much of how the devil would turn tail and run when she realises she messed up. Let's face it, the adversary always does that. If there was no guilt nor nothing to hide, she would have stayed - furthermore, if she realised she did wrong common sense would say to apologise. Unfortunately, many people are even lacking in common sense. How sad.
Supreme Law Firm
Thank you. We jumped on this latest act of defamation,
because we had already spent time, several month ago,
investigating the offending website to which she pointed
in her original, obviously off-point and offensive message.
So, we were "ready" -- if you catch my meaning here.
The following is the general reply we just posted
concerning Linda Robb's separate complicity now, e.g.
trying further to insult me as a "nut case":
my complaint now v. TrusthAGAINSTtradition@yahoogroups.com :
the sad fate of all hypocrites is written in the Scriptures
--- In apfn-1@yahoogroups.com, Supreme Law Firm
>
> broadcasted widely on the Internet:
>
> That list was TrusthAGAINSTtradition@yahoogroups.com
> in case anyone is interested.
>
> A word to the wise is sufficient.
The full exchange between TruthAGAINSTtradition and Mr. Mitchell can be seen on our group site. Feel free to join and judge for yourself whether or not Mr. Mitchell was being defamed or if I am indeed a hypocrite. Linda Robb owner TruthAGAINSTtradition
The "full exchange" is NOT at that website,
because there are additional messages of
correspondence between me and the Internet
domain registrar for the offending website.
Actions speak louder than words.
When a list subscriber responds to my post about
suppressed carburetor inventions, with a message
and a link to a website that contains defamatory and
irrelevant material, that misconduct constitutes
probable cause for me confront the suspect(s).
The off-point nature of such defamatory aiding and abetting
is all the more reason why I found it necessary to confront
that individual; s/he may as well have telephoned all 150+ subscribers
to notify each of them individually of this particular website.
When that suspect promptly "fled" the scene,
that action speaks much louder than words to me.
And, when certain "others" decided to act as if
that suspect had done nothing wrong, and did so
without even bothering to investigate or to find out
if there was any reason to suspect the offending
website, that failure to obtain relevant facts FIRST
spoke to me of serious negligence -- more akin
to jumping to the wrong conclusions, in point
of fact.
Moreover, I find it hypocritical in the extreme whenever
list subscribers claim to be advocating "Rights" to this
and "Rights" to that; but, when one author's Rights
to his intellectual property and to his good name and
reputation are carelessly attacked in that manner,
or when he is then branded viciously as a "nut case" [sic]
by those very same subscribers BECAUSE HE TAKES
ACTION TO ENFORCE AND DEFEND HIS RIGHTS,
I AM LEGALLY REQUIRED TO TAKE THOSE ACTIONS
PARTICULARLY IF AND WHEN NO ONE ELSE WILL.
You can be absolutely sure that Alberto Gonzales and
his cronies are not going to defend ANY of my Rights;
they've already had their chance, and they've chosen
to torture and murder U.S. prisoners instead.
For your information, the Toronto Police Department
in Canada has also been notified, on the recommendation
of the Internet domain registrar for the website in question.
Defamation and copyright infringement across State lines,
and now across international boundaries, are criminal
in nature. And, there are international copyright treaties
that are applicable to this situation, so don't try to bluff
me -- by claiming falsely that Canada is beyond our
jurisdiction in this matter.
If you want to confirm the relevant research which my
office has ALREADY accomplished on this subject matter,
please see our lawsuit against AOL Time Warner, Inc. et al. here:
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol/
Perhaps I need to remind all the guilty parties that the
Good Lord has promised to vomit hypocrites out of
His mouth, when the day of FINAL JUDGMENT arrives.
Those are God's eternal Laws, in case you are hearing
this for the very first time.
Claiming ignorance of those eternal Laws will not save you --
not after you have already been told about their existence --
HERE AND NOW.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, Criminal Investigator and
Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13, 1964(a)
"S.B."
Hi Mr. Mitchell,
I'm just writing to let you know that I did post a letter within the Group stating that Xena was indeed out of line, and trying to defame you. I do not know you, Xena, nor anyone else within that Group.
However, it is evident that Xena's mouth/fingers tend to get her in more trouble then good.
Unfortunately, I have witnessed Xena's foul behaviour various times - being that I belong to several other Groups, which she happens to be a member also. She never thinks before she acts, it's a childish and immature behaviour which lacks total discipline.
I do not care for her attitude at all, and I have clearly specified that in open forum. Of course, she never responds to me at all.
Either way, I pray that you will come back to the Group. If not, let me know what other Group you are a member of, so that I may join. I've always been interested in your Posts, unlike others that are nothing but bogus.
I'm praying for you and please do not let that crazy woman get the best of you. Leave it in G-d's hands, He knows how to mete out perfect justice, even when the laws of this land fail to do so.
In Y'shua,
Hil
END Message 21832
Message 21837
From: "xenacarpenter"
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2006 1:19 am
Subject: Re:***Group Alert***WITCHCRAFT ON THE INTERNET/TruthAGAINSTtradition
Well that's exactly what he's done. I've been sent emails from others
that groups he posted to. Him and his pals are going to such depths to
not only tarnish my reputation, but this groups reputation as well. I
think it was a good thing the tirade happened. To see him for the
person that he really is.
**** END OF ALL GROUP MESSAGES
And yes, Mr. Mitchell is still harassing people on the net. After coming across him, I believe there are only very few honest lawyers in America. The bottom line is, you just never know what you may discover about the person after you come across them. When you deal with someone, you should do research on them. It not only applies when you are trying to find a lawyer to represent you in court. It applies when you are looking for people to work for your company. It applies when you are looking for someone to babysit your children. It's better that you have too much information about them, than to not have any information about them at all.
Now while this post was little of stormpuke and more of Paul Andrew Mitchell, it serves as a WARNING to those that may think of coming across him. Do NOT deal with this man. Stay FAR away from him. As to what role he's exactly playing on the stormpuke carousel, I'm not sure. What I do know is that it's not a good sign to see his name associated with the laws of the RICO ACT and the laws pertaining on how the government deals with ponzi schemes.
Will we see more of him in nightmare land? Time will only tell. I really don't care about my name being slandered all over the net. Because it's going to happen regardless. What I WILL care about, is if Paul Andrew Mitchell continues to hamper the efforts of bringing stormpuke to justice. I know a lot of people are losing hope in seeing justice being served. I know I am going to sound *democratic* when I say it, but help is on the way. Be it today, tomorrow or a year from now, help is on the way in some form or another.
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